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Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:44 pm
Best as I can make out they are 'ammunition carriers'. Again speaks volumes to Danish ideas on the relative importance of the various weapons. Literally, I think it mean a 'supply man'. Equivalent of German 'munitionstrager', Polish 'amunicyjny', etc
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:38 pm
Infantry units

Rekylgeværkompagni / Infantry company

Each infantry company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men
Transport: -
Special rules: Officer
Options: Upgrade 4 men to rifle grenadiers for +6pts

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men
1 man armed with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men
Transport: -
Special rules: Officer
Options: Upgrade 4 men to rifle grenadiers for +6pts

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men
1 man armed with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

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Cyklistkompagni / Bicycle company

Each bicycle company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Transport:  Bicycles
Special rules: Officer, Dispatches/runners (undecided as of now)
Options:

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men
1 man armed with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Transport: -
Special rules: Officer, Dispatches
Options:

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men
1 man armed with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

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Motorcyklistkompagni / Motorcycle company

Each bicycle company contains 1 motorcyklistdeling and 1  motorcyklistkanondeling.

Rekylgeværdeling

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men on 2  motorcycles with sidecar, 2 men on motorcycles
Transport:  
Special rules: Officer
Options: 2 men are upgraded to dispatches/runners mounted on motorcycles for no extra cost.

4 motorcyklistgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 10 men on 4 motorcycles with sidecar
1 man armed with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Motorcyklistkanondeling

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men on 4  motorcycles with sidecar
Transport: -
Special rules: Officer
Options:

4 motorcyklistkanongruppe squads
Unit Composition:  7 men on 3 motorcycles with sidecar
Transport:
Special rules:
Options: 1 motorcycle is carrying a 20mm autocannon M.1938


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Have no good idea how to specify how many soldiers there was on each motorcycle, I'm thinking an information page for that.
Dont know how to do with dispatches/runners in the cycle/motorcycle squads. they had runners in the units, but i dont know if they should be added here, but to get the list a bit more historically correct, they should have something at least. Or maybe just a special rule for the danes?

Plan is for all these three companies to be a part of the Infantry units section, then there is the Skytskompagniet, that wil contain all the support units/heavier weapons i guess?
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:11 pm
I think you are right re manpower distribution on bikes. Just put: Transport: bicycles/motorbikes*, where * takes you to information page or diagram.
Runners I think you should treat as they are in other armies.

Since the Stytskompagniet would rarely operate together just like in all other armies in the book, I would suggest similar treatment ie MMG, mortar and autocannon sections as support options for the leg infantry. Incidentally it would appear that motorising elements of the heavy company with Regimental trucks was practiced and perhaps should be allowed as an option. More complicated is the case of bicycle battalions because these did not have heavy weapon's companies (a AAMG platoon with 4 weapons on 2 trucks is the only battalion-level weapon I can find). A possible solution might be to support your cyclists/motorcyclists with heavy weapons' sections from infantry battalions motorised with regimental trucks. This is a stretch of course, but the best I can think of.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:25 pm
Yeah, i might just remove runners/dispatches from the platoon hq’s., and have them as separate units instead. Not as confusing.

But do the cyklist-companies really need any support units? Their advantage over the leg soldiers is speed, same as the motorcyclists.
And the motorcyclists will have their 20mm autocannon, dont think they will need more support than that as a start.
They will, in game, benefit from the support units the army get as a whole. So if we cant find any support units for them we just skip that, for now at least.

I will try and take a better look at points values over the weekend, I want to start playtesting the list to see whats missing [smiley]https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/smiley]

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Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:16 pm
Aren't you perhaps overcomplicating things with the runners? I would have thought the way it's done for the Polish cavalry platoon HQ (p 23) would do the trick for the motorcycle/bicycle runners/despatch riders?

The only problem is the one you have with the leg infantry platoon - but this is a problem of your own making Very Happy . A straightforward solution is to make your marksman runner a permanent sniper on his own (ie no option for 'spotter' - this is not what the Danes did (or Poles, or anyone else i can think of did at this stage of the war and certainly not in a bog-standard infantry platoon). Promote your batman to a runner (this is something batmen did when not cleaning 'their' officer's shoes in any case, so entirely historically justified). I don't recall him having many typically batman duties in the game; problem solved Cool .

Incidentally, the way the bicycle battalion is structured, suspiciously lends itself to splitting up the kanondeling among the three bicycle companies leaving one squad to support the motorcycle LMG platoon. If you look at the dispositions on 9.4.40, this seems to be how much of the bicycle troops were organised in the forward areas (indeed, a 20mm autocannon seems to be supporting every bicycle platoon). Seems reasonable, therefore, to allow 1-2 motorcycle cannon sections as supports for a bicycle platoon.

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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:08 am
Yes, i definetly overcomplicate things, thats why I can’t do this project on my own, so thanks for helping out Smile

I have been thinking about what to have outside of the army list. I would like to have:
One or two scenarios
A painting/conversion guide
Short rundown of the weapons/army
Are you up for any of that?

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Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:11 am

Aren't you perhaps overcomplicating things with the runners? I would have thought the way it's done for the Polish cavalry platoon HQ (p 23) would do the trick for the motorcycle/bicycle runners/despatch riders?

Incidentally, the way the bicycle battalion is structured, suspiciously lends itself to splitting up the kanondeling among the three bicycle companies leaving one squad to support the motorcycle LMG platoon. If you look at the dispositions on 9.4.40, this seems to be how much of the bicycle troops were organised in the forward areas (indeed, a 20mm autocannon seems to be supporting every bicycle platoon). Seems reasonable, therefore, to allow 1-2 motorcycle cannon sections as supports for a bicycle platoon.


I will have a look at the polish cavalry platoon tonight, totally forgot to do that yesterday.
Having motorcycles as support for the bikes seems like a good idea!

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Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:03 am
Happy to help but my knowledge of the Danish army is superficial to say the least. I think someone like Per Finsted and his colleagues could be able to help you much more.

I most certainly have some ideas on conversions Mad . While there are two ranges of Danish infantry out there, they are sadly deficient in personal equipment for one thing (does no one ever look at the pictures readily available, particularly these days on the internet, when designing wargames figures?) and have some very odd non-Danish looking helmets for another Rolling Eyes . Still these issues probably only interest the anally retentive.....

With regards to scenarios, I think you need at least 4 for the campaign as a whole as (aerial and marine campaigns aside) there were 4 types of land operation (and some notable firsts which are perhaps worth commemorating). I would suggest (1) an encounter of a bicycle unit supported by a motorcycle cannon squad with the German advanced guard (eg Bredevad, Hokkerup, Gaardeby, etc); (2) a more formal assault on a Danish infantry unit (eg Haderslev); (3) German airlanding operation on an airfield (eg Aalborg) and (4) German seaborne landing (eg Copenhagen).
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:37 pm
This will be the infantry/bike/motorbike sections until I change them again.
Supports from the skytscompany will be added

Infantry units

Rekylgeværkompagni / Infantry company

Each infantry company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling 72pts 5-i BR
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men with 4 VB launchers
Special rules: Officer

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling 76pts 5-i BR
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men with 4 VB launchers
Special rules: Officer

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

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Cyklistkompagni / Bicycle company

Each bicycle company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling 61pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Transport:  Bicycles
Special rules: Officer, Runner

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling 65pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Special rules: Officer, Runner

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

Bicycle company support units
1 motorcyklistkanongruppe squads 12pts 1-i BR
Unit Composition:  7 men on 3 motorcycles with sidecar with a 20mm autocannon M.1938

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Motorcyklistkompagni / Motorcycle company

Each motorcycle company contains 1 motorcyklistdeling and 1  motorcyklistkanondeling

Rekylgeværdeling 74pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men on 2  motorcycles with sidecar, 2 men on motorcycles
Special rules: Officer, runner

4 motorcyklistgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 10 men on 4 motorcycles with sidecar with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Motorcyklistkanondeling 61pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men on 4  motorcycles with sidecar
Special rules: Officer

4 motorcyklistkanongruppe squads
Unit Composition:  7 men on 3 motorcycles with sidecar with a 20mm autocannon M.1938



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Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:30 pm
Tried doing some support units.

Historically the units are pretty big, so thats what I went for

Rekylgeværkompagni / Infantry company support units
Platoon may add up to four of the following additional units. No unit may be taken more than once.


Combat medic 7pts 0-i BR
Unit composition: 1 man
Special rule: Medic

Machine gun team 16pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 11 men with 8mm M.1929 MG
Includes 3 man loader team

Mortar team 32pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 13 men with 81mm M.1931 mortar
Includes 3 man loader team

Autocannon team 16pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 11 men with 20mm M.1938 autocannon
Includes 3 man loader team
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:17 am
Currently working on a list where I do all the formatting nice and proper, and add everything we got so far Smile

Expect it later today Smile

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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:44 am
It took much less time than I thought to add everything to one post.

Major changes: moved some squads from the HQ ro the Recce section, to reflect their in-battle roll, and not their organisation role.
New points values for everything

One question though:
Mortar squads, they were historically 13 men strong. In the last iteration of the list I made the group 5 man strong, i.e only the necessary personell to keep the gun running. Now with 13 men, how should I do the transport?
Or shall I stick with the 5 man team?
I’m undecided... leaning towards historically correct...



Special rules:
German air superiority. This represents the small size of the Danish air force against the much larger German air force, and the fact that the danish air force never got off the ground on april 9th.

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Forward HQ

Forward HQ 22pts 3-r BR
Unit composition: 3 men
Transport: -
Special rules: senior officer, unique
Options:
May be mounted in Ford heavy car +3pts
May add up to 2 Runners for +3pts each

Dispatches 12pts 0-i BR
Unit composition: 2 men
Transport: Bicycles
Special rules: dispatches
Options:
May be mounted on horseback for +2pts
May be mounted on motorcycle for + 4pts

Wire team 7pts 0-i BR
Unit composition: 2 men
Transport: -
Special rules: Communications
Options: -

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Infantry units

Rekylgeværkompagni / Infantry company

Each infantry company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling 72pts 5-i BR
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men with 4 VB launchers
Special rules: Officer

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling 76pts 5-i BR
1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men with 4 VB launchers
Special rules: Officer

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 9 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

Rekylgeværkompagni / Infantry company support units
Platoon may add up to four of the following additional units. No unit may be taken more than once.

Combat medic 7pts 0-i BR
Unit composition: 1 man
Special rule: Medic

Machine gun team 16pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 11 men with 8mm M.1929 MG
Includes 3 man loader team

Mortar team 32pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 13 men with 81mm M.1931 mortar
Includes 3 man loader team

Autocannon team 16pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 11 men with 20mm M.1938 autocannon
Includes 3 man loader team

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Cyklistkompagni / Bicycle company

Each bicycle company contains 1 to 3 rekylgeværsdeling and up to 1 trefodsdeling.

Rekylgeværdeling 61pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Transport:  Bicycles
Special rules: Officer, Runner

4 rekylgeværgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Trefodsdeling 65pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men
Special rules: Officer, Runner

4 trefodsgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 8 men with a 8mm Madsen LMG on tripod

Bicycle company support units
1 motorcyklistkanongruppe squads 12pts 1-i BR
Unit Composition:  7 men on 3 motorcycles with sidecar with a 20mm autocannon M.1938

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Motorcyklistkompagni / Motorcycle company

Each motorcycle company contains 1 motorcyklistdeling and 1  motorcyklistkanondeling

Rekylgeværdeling 74pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 6 men on 2  motorcycles with sidecar, 2 men on motorcycles
Special rules: Officer, runner

4 motorcyklistgruppe squads
Unit Composition: 10 men on 4 motorcycles with sidecar with a 8mm Madsen LMG on bipod

Motorcyklistkanondeling 61pts 5-i BR

1 delingstrop platoon HQ
Unit composition: 10 men on 4  motorcycles with sidecar
Special rules: Officer

4 motorcyklistkanongruppe squads
Unit Composition:  7 men on 3 motorcycles with sidecar with a 20mm autocannon M.1938

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Tank units

Landsverk armoured car unit 26pts 3-r BR
Unit composition: 1 Landsverk Lynx
Transport: -
Special rules: Unique
Options: may add up to two Landsverk Lynx for +26pts each
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Artillery units

On-board Mortar unit 32 1-i BR
Unit composition: 13 men with 81mm Brandt mortar. Includes a 3 man loader team.
Options:
May add one Tempo G1200 utility car tow and a supply truck for +8pts

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Logistics support units

Supply train 6pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 1 man
Transport: horse and cart
Special rules: resupply
Options:
May add up to two horse and cart for +4 pts each
May upgrade all horse and cart in unit to Ford light truck for +3pts each.

Forward aid post 20pts 5-i BR
Unit composition: 4 men and a tent
Special rules: Unique

Stretcher party 10pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 2 men
Special rules: Medic

Ambulance 12pts 2-i BR
Unit composition: 1 ambulance light truck
Special rules: Medic

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Recce support units

Motorcycle recce support unit 22 pts 1-i BR
Unit composition: 10 Men with 8mm Madsen LMG
Transport: Motorcycle / Motorcycle with sidecar
Special rules: Scout, Restricted

2 Scout squad 15pts 1-r BR
Unit composition: 5 men
Transport: -
Special rules: Scout
Options:
May be mounted on motorcycles for +10pts

Mortar spotter 16pts 1-r BR
Unit composition: 2 men
Transport: -
Special rules:
Options: may be mounted in Tempo G1200 light utility car for +2pts

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Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:14 am
Air support Smile
I went for the Fokker G.I which is a light bomber, that the danes had a couple of, and a license to build even more. As always, subject to change pending more research Smile

Danish air support table
1-3 Fokker G.I Mercury 2 small bombs
4-5 Fokker G.I Mercury 4 small bombs
6 Fokker G.I Mercury 2 medium bombs

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Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:57 am
Hi Sprygsy. Much hard work. I am a bit pushed for time at the moment so I will have a good read early next week.

However, as far as I know, the only Fokker G1s in Denmark (12 I think) were still in their wooden crates on 9th April 1940 (one may have been on the assembly line), so allowing them would place the list firmly in the 'what if' category. To be fair, however, that can be said of any air support for the Danes because (again as far as I know, delighted to be proved wrong) the only Danish combat aircraft to leave the ground was, sadly, shot down during take-off. If you want something really outré, the Danes did have one autogyro (I presume a Cierva) which could (again presumably) be used to spot for artillery.

Otherwise its Gloucester Gauntlets and Fokker XX1s for the fighters and Fokker C.V M/33 and Fokker C.V M/26 for scout planes for the Army and Hawker Nimrod fighters and Heinkel He 8 scout planes + 2 Hawker Dantorp for the Navy.
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:19 pm
No rush mate, no rush! I’m just thankful to have someone else to bounce ideas with!

Yeah i was contemplating doing the Fokker XXI, but went with the G.I instead.

This is also how i do things at work:
Short discussion, throw something against the wall, see what sticks, and go from there.

Apparantly the Fokker G.I didnt stick Smile

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:31 am
Been thinking about a new version of the close air support table:

1-3 Gloster Gauntlet, 2xMG
4-5 Fokker d.XXI-1, 4xMG
6 Hawker Nimrod, 2 small bombs, 2xMG

Something like that maybe?

I will try to make a list of whats left to do, so we can get this project finished. [smiley]https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/smiley]

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:15 am
Given the virtually identical numbers of these aircraft in service (13:11 (+1 being delivered):12 resp) perhaps equal weighting?

However, to complicate matters, the army air service was split into two, with the Fokker DXXIs supporting the Jutland Division and the Gauntlets the Zeeland Division.

Are you sure the Nimrodderne of the Danish Navy carried bombs? I am not seeing underwing bomb racks on the photos of the LBVs I've found quickly. However I am not at all sure on this point and will try to find the article (?s) on air operations over Denmark I know I have somewhere....

On a wider question, even in the best of circumstances (ie the Danish Army aircraft dispersed to field  landing strips), given the miniscule size of the Danish air power compared to the Luftwaffe resources deployed, any support given to the land troops by aircraft would have been, in any case, little short of a miracle. Should the rules reflect this?
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:52 am
OK, I've found some texts and I am none the wiser. It would appear 9 Nimrodderne were on strength on 6 April 1940 (the other 3 presumably were spares). They could carry two bombs (some references say even four 9kg bombs) and dive bombing had been practiced, but no one says they actually did that day. I have found no picture of a Danish LB5 equipped with bombs or even bomb racks.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:26 am
gebhk wrote:Given the virtually identical numbers of these aircraft in service (13:11 (+1 being delivered):12 resp) perhaps equal weighting?

However, to complicate matters, the army air service was split into two, with the Fokker DXXIs supporting the Jutland Division and the Gauntlets the Zeeland Division.

Are you sure the Nimrodderne of the Danish Navy carried bombs? I am not seeing underwing bomb racks on the photos of the LBVs I've found quickly. However I am not at all sure on this point and will try to find the article (?s) on air operations over Denmark I know I have somewhere....

On a wider question, even in the best of circumstances (ie the Danish Army aircraft dispersed to field  landing strips), given the miniscule size of the Danish air power compared to the Luftwaffe resources deployed, any support given to the land troops by aircraft would have been, in any case, little short of a miracle. Should the rules reflect this?

Question 1: yes, equal distribution sounds right.

Question 2: two possible ways to solve this, do a Southern and a Northern Close air support list, or one list with Fokkers and Gauntlets, but no Nimrods.
Which brings us to question 3:

Nimrods, being navy and not army, might not have a place in the list at all? Yeah, denmark is a small country, so all planes could be everywhere, but then again, with just a handful of planes in total anyways and basically none of them getting off the ground on the day, do we really need the Nimrods? My vote is on no.

Question 4:
Giving the danes the ”German air superiority” rule, limits their chance of arrival to 6+ once everytime an air support chit is drawn (they are like 1/20 roughly).
I dont plan to give the danes any air spotters, and no way to actually buy planes in the list, anyone playing the danes will be lucky as hell to ever see a plane. Still better than it was in real life though.


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Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:18 pm
Question 1/2/3
Ultimately, in reality the Gauntlets and DXXIs all flew (or didn't!) from the same airfield on the day and the Zeeland option was a political stance (demonstrating neutrality) which became irrelevant when the Germans invaded (to preserve Danish neutrality, no less!). The Navy as a whole did not fight, so there is a reasonable argument for omitting Nimrods (although I like them! - technically they're not Nimrods but LBVs: a Danish-built variant). On balance, therefore, I think either 2:2:2 with LBVs or 3:3 without would be equally reasonable. You could always add a historical note on the planned divisional allocation for those who want to play what-ifs.    

Question 4
Your ideas sound very reasonable. The Danish infantry was pretty nasty on the defensive and proved a tough nut to shift even when the attacker was supported by armour. Allowing the Germans some airpower (eventually - we are not talking cab-rank like what some people seem to imagine) and to limit it drastically for the Danes, helps to balance things out and is reflective of what actually happened on a number of occasions.

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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:33 am
Did a list of what in my mind is ready for playtesting

X = ready
- = missing something

X Forward HQ
X Infantry platoon
X Tank units
- Artillery units - missing the cannons
- Defences
X Recce units
- Engineering support
- Specialist support
X Logistic support units
- Additional fire support




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Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:40 pm
Close air support
Historical notes: The Hawker Nimrods where part of the navy. They never saw any combat use on April 9th, so if you dont want to include these use table 2.
The different types of aircraft never mixed, so you may only use one type of aircraft per battle. Roll for the first chit pulled, and use the same value for any subsequent rolls.

Table 1:
1-2 Gloster Gauntlet, 2xMG
3-4 Fokker d.XXI-1, 4xMG
5-6 Hawker Nimrod, 2xMG

Table 2:
1-3 Gloster Gauntlet, 2xMG
4-6 Fokker d.XXI-1, 4xMG

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Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:37 am
I was thinking of the army-wide special rules. So far we have:
- German air superiority
Which is right in line with history, since the danes never got off the ground properly.

Was thinking of something like:
- Valiant defenders. When the danish army is the defenders in an Attacker/Defender scenario, add D6 BR to their BR total. Roll before the battle starts.
This is to symbolize their defensive capabilities, against overwhelming odds.


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Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:55 am
Added some artillery Smile

The triangel artillery tractors are really hard to define.
Its a truck, with a halftrack-attachment, that the danes called an artillery tractor. This thing had it all!!
I went with what they called it Smile

75mm L/30 m1902 with 3 crew 28pts 2-i BR
Options:
Include a 3 man loader team +10pts
Horse and limber tow +2pts
Triangel artillery tractor tow +5pts

105mm L/48 m1930 with 3 crew 38pts 2-i BR
Options:
Include a 3 man loader team +10pts
Horse and limber tow +2pts
Triangel artillery tractor tow +5pts

150mm L/17 m17/m19 with 3 crew 40 pts 2-i BR
Options:
Include a 3 man loader team +10pts
Triangel artillery tractor tow +4pts


150mm L/17 m29 with 3 crew 42 pts 2-i BR
Options:
Include a 3 man loader team +10pts
Triangel artillery tractor tow +4pts

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Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:34 pm
I agree the Danes proved very hardy defenders. However, most remarkable perhaps, is their apparent ability to kill people with small-arms, if the German estimation of their own casualties is correct. This would make the Danes quite unique and perhaps deserves a 'national characteristic'.  

I found the pursuit of Danish artillery vehicles a remarkably frustrating experience Mad . Best as I can make out there were 6 Triangel 4 ton halftracks in total so I would restrict them to the heavy artillery and there is only enough to equip one battery. In reality they appear to have been with the Zealand Division (6 battalion to be precise) so zero chance of getting into a fight with the Germans*. What pulled the rest of the heavy guns (all of which were motorised by 1940) I have no idea. Answers on postcards please study !  The mobilised field artillery (according to Per Finsted) needed 24 heavy howitzers (2x battery of 4 in each) and they had 24 relatively modern 150cm long howitzers M29 (155mm really). There were only 4 each of the M17s and M23s and they were crap (range too short). Ergo I bet they were nicely mothballed and I wouldn't bother with them Razz The other heavy pieces, the 105mm long-range gun of which there were 12 in line (1 battery of 4 in each heavy battalion), were also fully motorised in 1940.

So, in short, Triangel halftracks for one battery only (either 105mm or 150mm M29) and only in scenarios involving the Zealand Division. No horse-drawn traction for the heavy guns, though what pulled the other guns I have no idea. In fact a bit of a mystery since something substantial was needed, I would have thought, to pull the heavy field and AA guns, but nothing in suitable numbers jumps out from the Danish Army vehicles website...... Maybe they did get the Volvo trucks before the war after all? Shocked

The light artillery battalions had 12 guns each in three batteries of 4 and overall half were motorised. However the distribution was not even, with the Zealand division having 3 motorised and 2 H/D while Jutland Division had 1 motorised and 2 H/D battalions. In the motorised battalions traction was provided by Ford BBs (? FP1) and some (don't know how many, they were in the process of being introduced in 1940) Ford Thames trucks (? FP2) with similar artillery tractor rear bodies which carried crew and ammunition.

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*Realistically, the only artillery unit that had any chance of shooting in anger on 9.4.40 was the motorised 8th Light Artillery Battalion at Haderslev.
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