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Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:05 am
Hi lads

This thread is to discuss and provide feedback on the Polish lists that will start appearing here and on the main thread from today onwards.  First up is the Polish Motorised Rifle Division Battlegroup list

Polish Motorised Rifle Division Battlegroup 1.1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BP1s2W01vmcsCjcTHDQ3ErQ_QhJ5qaEk

Once again the speed by which this list appeared and most of the heavy lifting is all down to Paul Cziganj whose immense help has meant you are getting this now, not 3 years from now when I could have gotten around to it by myself!  So thanks again Paul.

So let me know what you think and please point out any errors or omissions and I'll get the fixed.

Next list up will be the Polish Tank Division list.

Thanks

Richard


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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:50 am
Hi Rich

First, nice work

Second, why have you given the Poles the 'Fireteam' special rule?
I thought they were trained the same as the other WarPac forces.

Paul
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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:48 am
Hi Paul

Thanks

Gun-Pit Paul wrote:Second, why have you given the Poles the 'Fireteam' special rule? I thought they were trained the same as the other WarPac forces.

Fair question and to be honest I'm not 100% wedded to it. But basically I thought, and discussed with Paul, the idea of making the Poles slightly different to the Soviets and other WARPAC forces. I didn't want them to be just a slightly different shaped cookie cutter like some other WARPAC forces. I've read about the professionalism of the Polish officer corps, their desire to show how much better at soldiering they were than the Russians and they didn't really want to be told how to do things by the Soviets.

I wanted to make them fight in a more Western way - hence using order like NATO does, no Battle Drill and so I thought why not give them Fireteam as well.

Obviously I'm happy to be persuaded to change my mind.

Richard
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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:43 am
So here is the Polish Armoured list

Polish Armoured Division Battlegroup List 1.1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RpSrlOZ52TuzxuiccsHOTs6-jf3_CvGr

As always, please let me know what you think - good or bad...

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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:41 pm
Both lists have now been updated.

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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:35 pm
The Polish lists keep coming.  

Here is our Polish Naval Landing Brigade allowing you to field units from the 7th Luzycka Naval Landing Brigade.  Great for a Danish campaign.

Polish Naval Landing Brigade Battlegroup
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B5wJcRKT6tnEDuyMrbRoby0dg6BYcI-0

Peease let us know what you think

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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:30 pm
Here's the latest and last Polish list

Polish 6th Pomeranian Airborne Brigade Battlegroup
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19IAbe_GPLGrBViRXkiMMhYyl3PVoPQ_e

As always, please have a look and let me know what you think - looking for any errors or missing items. The main thread has had all the Polish lists added now.

Thanks

Richard
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Re: Feedback/Comments/Questions on Polish Lists - updated with Polish Airborne Brigade

on Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:39 am
Polish T-55s
T-55L: "T-55L" is the name given by western observers to a number of Polish T-55s which were all manufactured by the Bumar-Łabędy tank plant. It's not a Polish designation. A more appropriate name would be "T-55M", which was the designation used for the unified T-55A and T-55s-upgraded-to-55A-standard. There's also the T-55U, which is the name of T-54AMs upgraded to T-55A standard.

T-55AM Merida: The Merida had a laser warning receiver. Additionally, calling it the Polish version of the Soviet T-55AM is perhaps not the best way to put it. Each WaPa nation that could afford it pursued their own project to upgrade the T-55A for the 80s. The Merida is in this sense not a derivative of the Soviet T-55AM: rather, the Soviet T-55AM and the Polish T-55AM are two branches of the same tree.

Polish T-72s
T-72M: Two tanks, possibly three depending on how you count, have carried the name "T-72M" in Polish service:
> Object 172M-E2, a copy of the Soviet T-72 Ural-1. It was licensed in 1978, a year before the T-72A entered Soviet service. It's a standard post-1976 hull with a standard turret, fitted with the TPD-1K sight complex with laser rangefinder and ballistic computer. It's really not downgraded in any way!
> Object 172M-1-E3, a mix of Soviet T-72 Ural-1 and T-72A technologies: in essence, the T-72A's internals stuffed into an Object 172M-E2 hull and turret.  The main gun ammo capacity is increased from 39 to 44, the gill skirts are replaced with conventional rubber skirts, it received smoke grenade launchers, and the TPN-1-49 night vision gunner's optics are upgraded to the TPN-1-49-23 version. It entered production in 1985. It was only produced for a short period and Poland didn't have all that many of this version: most of the ones they built ended up on the export market.
> Object 172M-1-E3 with applique: As Bumar-Łabędy was retooling to produce the T-72M1, they were still producing 172M-1-E3s, and one feature from the T-72M1 that ended up on some T-72Ms produced was the 16mm HHS glacis applique. I'm unsure if Poland kept any of these for themselves, though. Since they don't have a different designation in Polish service, researching them is rather difficult...

T-72M1: While "increased frontal armour" is technically true, the most important part of the T-72M1 is that it received the T-72A's turret with ceramic inserts.

T-72 "Wilk": Sadly, the Wilk was still in the prototype stage when the communist government fell. None were issued to troops.
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