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Louis17
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M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:47 am
Hello,

When looking in the US infantry platoon support choices, I see that the HMG is referenced as a unit of 3 men with .50cal HMG.

My question is: what about the M1917 Browning water-cooled? Should it also be considered as a HMG? I have the minis and I would like to know how we should play them....

Thanks in advance!

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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 am
With the M1917 being the same calibre (.30) like the Browning M1919 I would suggest to use it likewise as a MMG.
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:54 am
Yes... it's an MMG.
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:58 am
Hello Aristides,

Thanks for the answer. Well, this was how I read it too. On the the other hand, what makes the difference between an MMG and a HMG is the rate of fire, not only the caliber. That is why I asked the question.
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:59 am
Hello Piers,

Thanks for the answer!
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:32 am
Its performance is slightly better than the British Vickers . I was quietly surprised that it was used as late as the 60s . Otherwise comparable to the Vickers ie same number of cartidges on the belt ,3 man crew and both can use the 0.303 cartridge . So I agree MMG .
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:09 pm
I have read that due to the rate of fire(M1917) well the 1917A1 the 1917 had teething problems which were adressed with the M1917A1 and at steady 600 RPM it is a HMG being watercooled,the aircooled version( M1919) being a MMG at 450 RPM. The Vickers fired upto 500RPM and is a MMG. All the watercooled guns are based on the Maxim. But have different rates of fire,the American watercooled gun with the greater rate of fire is classed as a HMG due to rate of fire.
When it comes to machine guns and calssification it is also about rate of fire that classes a gun as Light,medium or heavy. The M2 0.50 has a ropund the sixe of a carrot,that makes it heavy,ad does the DSHK with it's 12.7mm round. The MG34 and MG 42 when in a tripod are medium,diue to being aircooled. Well you could fire them full auto but that would melt the barrels. Tghe water cooled machine guns can sustain a stady rate of fire,without this danger,just keepthe cooling jacket topped up with water and away you go.


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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:35 pm
That is the cause why i classify all watercooled machineguns in BG as HMG. But that is just a house rule.

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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:58 pm
Same here,they are  really HMG's,aircooled are MMG's,except the M2 0.50 cal,by vertue of the round more than cyclic rate. And not the round fired.


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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:40 pm
RayH wrote:Same here,they are  really HMG's, watercooled are MMG's,except the M2 0.50 cal,by vertue of the round more than cyclic rate. And not the round fired.
I guess you mean aircooled? Question
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Re: M1917 Browning MG water-cooled: HMG?

on Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:07 pm
Yes
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